Charles Back has had an enormous influence on the South African wine industry as an innovator, maverick and campaigner for transformation and social change. Listen to us chat about the story behind Goats do Roam, his most famous brand, his rediscovery of the Swartland thanks to a tank of Sauvignon Blanc, his love of Rhône and Mediterranean grapes and how he always tries to turn a negative into a positive.

To read more about Charles have a look at the Fairview website. You can also follow him on Instagram @fairviewwineandcheese.

Don’t forget, Cork Talk is now available on Spotify. You can listen to this week’s episode, plus my back catalogue of interviews with some of the world’s most extraordinary wine figures.